Purchased the Mini-Mash version of this kit used Wyeast Czech Pilsner yeast. Used Whirlfloc tab for the first time in a brew as the wort cooled the cloudy puffy layer formed.....seemed as if a ton of sediment made it into the primary fermentor. 14 days in primary O.G. was in the 1.046-1.048 range.....reading after 14 days 1.014 moved to secondary give it a couple more weeks in the 50-52 range before taking to the 40's see if I can get closer to the 1.008 that the instructions say F.G. should be.....Used 2 gallons of distilled water 2 gallons of spring water and ice made from spring water in the boil/topoff for fermentor. The 14 day sample tasted great even though it was flat...had a wonderful aroma that will mellow out and should really bring out the taste.....Doing a lager like this is a ton of work but it does appear the final product will be worth it. Will keg half the recipe in my 5 liter mini-kegs, and the other half will head for the bottle should get two kegs and one case of bottles (12 ounces)....